Wednesday, 28 December 2011

A new connection on the Flynn side

It has been a few months since I posted information about the Flynn side of my father's family. The Flynns came from Galway in western Ireland in the early 1860s and settled in the Newtown area of Birmingham. My g-g-grandmother Bridget Flynn married my g-g-grandfather Thomas Finn at St Chad's Cathedral in 1870.

Bridget's mother was Mary Flynn and her father a shoemaker named Daniel Flynn. The Flynn family are recorded living at Northwood Street in the All Saints ward of Birmingham in the 1861 census. Mary Flynn was a widow, her children included:

Patrick aged 24 (born 1837)
Mary Rattigan, identified as a daughter aged 24
David Flynn aged 20 (born 1841)
Michael aged 18 (1843)
Bridget was 15 (born 1847)
Daniel aged 10 (b, 1851)
Margaret aged 9 (born 1852) 
Maria Flynn aged 6 (born 1856).

A James Flynn aged 23 (born 1838) was also recorded in the 1861 census living a few streets away at Brearley Street West.

The same family, minus some of the older siblings, are recorded in the 1871 census living at Smith Street in Newtown. 

One of the Flynn siblings of my g-g-grandmother Bridget, the 18 year old Michael from the 1861 census became a jewellers stamper living at Smith Street then Unett Street and marrying Selina Lane in 1870. This couple has children as follows:

William Patrick Flynn born 1871
Joseph George Worrall Flynn born 1873 married Edith Elizabeth Rooke
Mabel Louisa Maria Worrall Flynn born 1878
Theresa Maude Mary Worrall Flynn born 1879
Beatrice Alice gertrude Worrall Flynn born 1883
Marion Agnes Elsie Worrall Flynn born 1885

Another brother, Daniel the 20 year old shoe maker listed in the 1861 census may be the person listed in the 1871 census at Branston Street in 1871, with his wife Selina and children:

Edward born 1866
Daniel born 1867
James born 1869

The same family are at Northwood Street in the 1881.

Another possible brother from the original Flynn family of the 1861 census is a Patrick Flynn at Cheapside, Aston in 1881:

Patrick born 1839
Bridget (wife) born 1842
Mary A born 1866
Selina born 1867
David born 1870
Ellen born 1871
Rose born 1875
John U born 1877
Edward born 1878

The same family are recorded in the 1901 census, Ellen is referred to as Nellie and John as Joseph, there is also an Arthur born 1886.

Another researcher named Ken Flynn told me that his grandparents were named Daniel and Nellie Flynn and that they ran a sweet shop in Essington Street in Ladywood. This Daniel Flynn's father was also named Daniel. It is possible he was the son of one of Bridget's brothers, Patrick, David or Daniel.

I was recently contacted by another family tree researcher named Lisa who has some interesting potential connections with the Flynn family. Lisa first contacted to say:

"Hi Pete, I do believe these Flynns are my relatives, David Flynn being my Great-Grandfather and David Flynn junior being my Grandad named after his father. Records on Ancestry indicate a marriage in 1902 between David St Chad Flynn and Emily Louisa Cook, these were my Great-grandfather and my Great-grandmother.

"My mother was Patricia Flynn, her sister was Maureen Flynn and they were daughters of David Flynn jnr and Rose Flynn (nee. Bill). My grandad was brought up in the Aston area of Brum, I know his father (my G-Grandfather David Flynn) had brothers called Joseph and Daniel Flynn, I also know part of the Flynn family went to live in Canada (on my mother's cousin Pauline's side) and I also know that my Great-Grandfather's other son was named Joseph after his brother, he married a Nellie Flynn though I am not sure of her maiden name.

"My grandad was born on December 26th 1912 in Aston. Apparently my Great-Grandmother Emily Louisa Cook married Edward Flynn first, but we were told he died in a War, how true that is we don't know, then she went on to marry my Great-Grandfather David Flynn, I think she had 2 children with Edward which were Edward Flynn and Lena Flynn. Then she went on to have David, Joseph and quite a few other children with David St Chad Flynn."

Lisa explains that her cousin has traced the Flynn family tree and told her that David and one of his brothers Joseph Flynn came over to England as illegal immigrants - stowarways on a ship from Cork in Ireand but that the rest of the Flynn family were already here, some in Ladywood, Aston and also in Lozells where her mother Patrica was born in Gerrard Street in 1934. Her Grandad David then moved from Aston and lived with Rose in Weoley Castle.

Lisa goes on to say:

"They were definately a big famliy, I have quite a few photos of my grandad David and his brother Joseph. I was always told that my great-grandfather was a cobbler in Ireland, my mother was Patrica Flynn, daughter of Daivd Flynn, b.1912 in Aston, she married Kenneth Burgess."

Lisa explains that her cousin David has carried out research into the Flynn family history and found out some very intresting things about their great-grandad and his brother Joseph Flynn. David was a solider in the Warwickshire Regiment, 4th Battalion, he went to Africa and India and received the King's medal with clasp and the Queen's medal with clasp.

Lisa also makes some interesting observations about one of the photos on this website which was of Michael Flynn, the brother of my great-great grandmother Bridget. It seems that Michael could be Lisa's great-great-uncle, and she believes there to be a striking resemblance to her side of the family:

"He looks very much like my grandad David Flynn, my mom, me and my sisters. The thin lips. The slight dimple on the chin, we've all got it. It is uncanny. I'm the only one with auburn /red hair in the family and mom always said it was from the Flynn side of the family".

More on Lisa's family

Lisa's mom was Patrica Thelma Burgess (nee) Flynn, born on 25th Sept 1934, at 1 back Gerrard Street, Lozells.

Her father was Kenneth John Burgess, born in 1931 in South Birmingham.

Lisa's grandmother was Rose Flynn (nee. Bill), born 6/1/1912, in Hockley / Lozells.

Her grandfather was David Flynn, born on 26/12/1911 in Aston.

Lisa's aunt (her mom's sister) was Maureen Depoy (nee Flynn), born 1939, Lozells.

Her Great Uncle was Joseph Flynn, born 1912 in Aston.

Her Great Grandfather, David St Chad Flynn, was born in 1877. Lisa believes he might have originated from Cork, Ireland.

Lisa's Great Grandmother, Emily Louisa Flynn (nee Cook) was born in 1878 in Aston Manor.

Her Great Grandfather's brother was called Joseph and was possibly born in 1874.

We have already mentioned that Lisa's mom believed that her Grandfather David St Chad Flynn was a cobbler in Cork in Ireland and also spoke of the family running a sweetshop in Birmingham.

Lisa's cousin David (son of Maureen) told her:

"The two brothers Joseph and David Flynn were illegal immigrants - stowaways on a ship from Ireland to England, though on the census records it states they were general labourers, born in Birmingham".

"A brother named Edward Flynn married Emily Louisa Cook before 1900. In the 1901 census it states she is widowed with 2 children and living with her parents, who were Charles Cook and Louisa Cook".

1901 Census - Number 15 Hunters Vale, Lozells, Aston Manor


Head-Charles Cook, M, aged 50yrs, born Warwick, Helmet maker

Wife-Louisa Cook, M, aged 50yrs, born Enfield

Daughter-Phoebe cook, S, aged 23yrs, Brooch maker, born, Aston Manor

Son-Charles Cook ,S, aged 21yrs, stock maker, born Birmingham

Daughter-Emily Flynn, widowed, aged 24 yrs, Stamp maker, born Birmingham

Grandson-Edward Flynn, aged 7yrs, born Birmingham

Grand Daughter-Lena Flynn, aged 5yrs, born Birmingham.

Having lost her first husband Edward Flynn prior to 1901, Emily Flynn apparently then married his brother David St Chad Flynn in 1902 in Birmingham. Lisa believes that her Great-Grandmother Emily was then disinherited from the family Will possibly because the Cooks were quite a well to do family having made their money from being furriers and shop owners. 

Lisa also said that her Grandad's brother, Joseph Flynn, born around 1912, married a Nellie, known as Aunt Nell.

On her father's side, Lisa's grandfather Albert James Burgess was born in 1897 in Aston:

Also my Nan, Rose Flynn (nee) Bill, her mother was Lillian Bill ( nee ) Meakin, so my Great-Great-father was John Benjamin Meakin, who married a Mary Ann Aston. My grandad David Flynn Jnr married Rose Bill I think in 1935 or round abouts, mom was born in 1934. They moved from Gerrard St, Lozells to the Weoley Castle area where they lived the rest of their lives".

Lisa also sent me another record from the 1901 census (above) which records a family of Flynns living at 249 Essington Street, Ladywood:

Daniel Flynn Head 34 abt 1867 Male Birmingham

Rose Flynn Wife 33 abt 1868 Female Birmingham 


Daniel Flynn Son 12 abt 1889 Male Birmingham 


David Flynn Son 10 abt 1891 Male Birmingham 


David Flynn Brother 28 abt 1873 Male Birmingham 


Joseph Flynn Brother 18 abt 1883 Male Birmingham

3 comments:

  1. Hi Pete,

    I would just like to add some other info i have found out, some more siblings of my Grandfather David Flynn Jnr

    Amy st Frances Flynn,B, Oct 1903, Aston,B,ham

    Ivy flynn, B, 1910, Aston, B,ham

    Mable Flynn, B, 1907, Aston, B,ham

    Joseph Flynn,B, 1913, Aston B,ham,

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  2. Thanks Lisa, interesting how the 'saint' bit was added to some names in this family.

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    1. Hi Pete,
      Hope you are well,

      Another 2 children to add to emily louisa cooke & Edward flynn, the first Brother emily married in 1892, the children which were Cissie flynn & Edward flynn,

      Somthing i found quite Intresting on the 1911 Census, states David flynn,& Emily flynn's, Daughters Ivy, Amy & Mable flynn & neice Cissie flynn, which is infact correct as cissie would be David's niece as emily married his brother Edward Joseph flynn first of all, but it would infact be emilys Daughter, & on the 1901 census it states cissie's name as lena flynn, my Grandfather David & his brother Joseph Obviousley hadn't been born then, so they wouldn't have been on any of the Census,s, all very confusting pete!

      Just a few bits of more of info that i've recently found out,
      first is the maiden name my G,Great-Grandmother, emily flynn's mother, which is Louisa Sodan who married Charles cooke in Oct 1869, aged 19yrs in warwickshire,

      Also my Gr,Gr,Grnftr David Flynn who's Parents were
      Patrick flynn, b,abt 1840 in Galway Eire, who Married Bridget Mary Lowry,B, 1842 Co Cork Eire, they married in 1864 in Birmingham., St chads church Posibily!
      I think she was known as Mary flynn(nee) Lowry, than Bridget,
      Also i'm not certain but think that Patrick flynn's Parents were David Flynn, B, 1822 & Cathrine Agnes flynn, B, 1820, Ireland. don't have a madien name for Catherine at present, so its coming together little by little pete,

      all the Best

      Lisa

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