Wednesday, 28 December 2011

A new connection on the Flynn side

It has been a few months since I posted information about the Flynn side of my father's family. The Flynns came from Galway in western Ireland in the early 1860s and settled in the Newtown area of Birmingham. My g-g-grandmother Bridget Flynn married my g-g-grandfather Thomas Finn at St Chad's Cathedral in 1870.

Bridget's mother was Mary Flynn and her father a shoemaker named Daniel Flynn. The Flynn family are recorded living at Northwood Street in the All Saints ward of Birmingham in the 1861 census. Mary Flynn was a widow, her children included:

Patrick aged 24 (born 1837)
Mary Rattigan, identified as a daughter aged 24
David Flynn aged 20 (born 1841)
Michael aged 18 (1843)
Bridget was 15 (born 1847)
Daniel aged 10 (b, 1851)
Margaret aged 9 (born 1852) 
Maria Flynn aged 6 (born 1856).

A James Flynn aged 23 (born 1838) was also recorded in the 1861 census living a few streets away at Brearley Street West.

The same family, minus some of the older siblings, are recorded in the 1871 census living at Smith Street in Newtown. 

One of the Flynn siblings of my g-g-grandmother Bridget, the 18 year old Michael from the 1861 census became a jewellers stamper living at Smith Street then Unett Street and marrying Selina Lane in 1870. This couple has children as follows:

William Patrick Flynn born 1871
Joseph George Worrall Flynn born 1873 married Edith Elizabeth Rooke
Mabel Louisa Maria Worrall Flynn born 1878
Theresa Maude Mary Worrall Flynn born 1879
Beatrice Alice gertrude Worrall Flynn born 1883
Marion Agnes Elsie Worrall Flynn born 1885

Another brother, Daniel the 20 year old shoe maker listed in the 1861 census may be the person listed in the 1871 census at Branston Street in 1871, with his wife Selina and children:

Edward born 1866
Daniel born 1867
James born 1869

The same family are at Northwood Street in the 1881.

Another possible brother from the original Flynn family of the 1861 census is a Patrick Flynn at Cheapside, Aston in 1881:

Patrick born 1839
Bridget (wife) born 1842
Mary A born 1866
Selina born 1867
David born 1870
Ellen born 1871
Rose born 1875
John U born 1877
Edward born 1878

The same family are recorded in the 1901 census, Ellen is referred to as Nellie and John as Joseph, there is also an Arthur born 1886.

Another researcher named Ken Flynn told me that his grandparents were named Daniel and Nellie Flynn and that they ran a sweet shop in Essington Street in Ladywood. This Daniel Flynn's father was also named Daniel. It is possible he was the son of one of Bridget's brothers, Patrick, David or Daniel.

I was recently contacted by another family tree researcher named Lisa who has some interesting potential connections with the Flynn family. Lisa first contacted to say:

"Hi Pete, I do believe these Flynns are my relatives, David Flynn being my Great-Grandfather and David Flynn junior being my Grandad named after his father. Records on Ancestry indicate a marriage in 1902 between David St Chad Flynn and Emily Louisa Cook, these were my Great-grandfather and my Great-grandmother.

"My mother was Patricia Flynn, her sister was Maureen Flynn and they were daughters of David Flynn jnr and Rose Flynn (nee. Bill). My grandad was brought up in the Aston area of Brum, I know his father (my G-Grandfather David Flynn) had brothers called Joseph and Daniel Flynn, I also know part of the Flynn family went to live in Canada (on my mother's cousin Pauline's side) and I also know that my Great-Grandfather's other son was named Joseph after his brother, he married a Nellie Flynn though I am not sure of her maiden name.

"My grandad was born on December 26th 1912 in Aston. Apparently my Great-Grandmother Emily Louisa Cook married Edward Flynn first, but we were told he died in a War, how true that is we don't know, then she went on to marry my Great-Grandfather David Flynn, I think she had 2 children with Edward which were Edward Flynn and Lena Flynn. Then she went on to have David, Joseph and quite a few other children with David St Chad Flynn."

Lisa explains that her cousin has traced the Flynn family tree and told her that David and one of his brothers Joseph Flynn came over to England as illegal immigrants - stowarways on a ship from Cork in Ireand but that the rest of the Flynn family were already here, some in Ladywood, Aston and also in Lozells where her mother Patrica was born in Gerrard Street in 1934. Her Grandad David then moved from Aston and lived with Rose in Weoley Castle.

Lisa goes on to say:

"They were definately a big famliy, I have quite a few photos of my grandad David and his brother Joseph. I was always told that my great-grandfather was a cobbler in Ireland, my mother was Patrica Flynn, daughter of Daivd Flynn, b.1912 in Aston, she married Kenneth Burgess."

Lisa explains that her cousin David has carried out research into the Flynn family history and found out some very intresting things about their great-grandad and his brother Joseph Flynn. David was a solider in the Warwickshire Regiment, 4th Battalion, he went to Africa and India and received the King's medal with clasp and the Queen's medal with clasp.

Lisa also makes some interesting observations about one of the photos on this website which was of Michael Flynn, the brother of my great-great grandmother Bridget. It seems that Michael could be Lisa's great-great-uncle, and she believes there to be a striking resemblance to her side of the family:

"He looks very much like my grandad David Flynn, my mom, me and my sisters. The thin lips. The slight dimple on the chin, we've all got it. It is uncanny. I'm the only one with auburn /red hair in the family and mom always said it was from the Flynn side of the family".

More on Lisa's family

Lisa's mom was Patrica Thelma Burgess (nee) Flynn, born on 25th Sept 1934, at 1 back Gerrard Street, Lozells.

Her father was Kenneth John Burgess, born in 1931 in South Birmingham.

Lisa's grandmother was Rose Flynn (nee. Bill), born 6/1/1912, in Hockley / Lozells.

Her grandfather was David Flynn, born on 26/12/1911 in Aston.

Lisa's aunt (her mom's sister) was Maureen Depoy (nee Flynn), born 1939, Lozells.

Her Great Uncle was Joseph Flynn, born 1912 in Aston.

Her Great Grandfather, David St Chad Flynn, was born in 1877. Lisa believes he might have originated from Cork, Ireland.

Lisa's Great Grandmother, Emily Louisa Flynn (nee Cook) was born in 1878 in Aston Manor.

Her Great Grandfather's brother was called Joseph and was possibly born in 1874.

We have already mentioned that Lisa's mom believed that her Grandfather David St Chad Flynn was a cobbler in Cork in Ireland and also spoke of the family running a sweetshop in Birmingham.

Lisa's cousin David (son of Maureen) told her:

"The two brothers Joseph and David Flynn were illegal immigrants - stowaways on a ship from Ireland to England, though on the census records it states they were general labourers, born in Birmingham".

"A brother named Edward Flynn married Emily Louisa Cook before 1900. In the 1901 census it states she is widowed with 2 children and living with her parents, who were Charles Cook and Louisa Cook".

1901 Census - Number 15 Hunters Vale, Lozells, Aston Manor


Head-Charles Cook, M, aged 50yrs, born Warwick, Helmet maker

Wife-Louisa Cook, M, aged 50yrs, born Enfield

Daughter-Phoebe cook, S, aged 23yrs, Brooch maker, born, Aston Manor

Son-Charles Cook ,S, aged 21yrs, stock maker, born Birmingham

Daughter-Emily Flynn, widowed, aged 24 yrs, Stamp maker, born Birmingham

Grandson-Edward Flynn, aged 7yrs, born Birmingham

Grand Daughter-Lena Flynn, aged 5yrs, born Birmingham.

Having lost her first husband Edward Flynn prior to 1901, Emily Flynn apparently then married his brother David St Chad Flynn in 1902 in Birmingham. Lisa believes that her Great-Grandmother Emily was then disinherited from the family Will possibly because the Cooks were quite a well to do family having made their money from being furriers and shop owners. 

Lisa also said that her Grandad's brother, Joseph Flynn, born around 1912, married a Nellie, known as Aunt Nell.

On her father's side, Lisa's grandfather Albert James Burgess was born in 1897 in Aston:

Also my Nan, Rose Flynn (nee) Bill, her mother was Lillian Bill ( nee ) Meakin, so my Great-Great-father was John Benjamin Meakin, who married a Mary Ann Aston. My grandad David Flynn Jnr married Rose Bill I think in 1935 or round abouts, mom was born in 1934. They moved from Gerrard St, Lozells to the Weoley Castle area where they lived the rest of their lives".

Lisa also sent me another record from the 1901 census (above) which records a family of Flynns living at 249 Essington Street, Ladywood:

Daniel Flynn Head 34 abt 1867 Male Birmingham

Rose Flynn Wife 33 abt 1868 Female Birmingham 


Daniel Flynn Son 12 abt 1889 Male Birmingham 


David Flynn Son 10 abt 1891 Male Birmingham 


David Flynn Brother 28 abt 1873 Male Birmingham 


Joseph Flynn Brother 18 abt 1883 Male Birmingham

Saturday, 10 December 2011

Stone family - Matters arising

I continue, for the time being, to concentrate my research on my wife's maternal ancestors, the Stone / Stones family of County Offaly in the rural Irish Midlands.

The family tree chart I posted a few days ago continues to raise one or two questions which require further clarification. For instance, we have seen in previous posts that during the early 1880s two different men named John Stones married and raised families at Lurgan. One of them married Rose Malynn and the other married Anne Warburton.

In the 1901 census it seems that one of these men named John Stones had died leaving his wife Anne as a widow. We can say with certainty that this was Anne Warburton as her sister Teresa Warburton is also recorded in the family home.

What I was unable to say for certain was which one of the two men named John Stones was the brother of my wife's great grandfather Daniel Stones. On the first draft of the family tree I had guessed that it was John who married Rose Malynn, mainly on the basis of age calculations. It now seems however that I got this wrong. 

Which ever of these Johns we confirm as the brother of Daniel and his siblings, it leaves the question of the relationship of the second John to the generation of the children of Timothy Stones and Elizabeth Cahill. My guess up to now was that he could have been their cousin, the son of a John Stones senior recorded at Lurgan in the 1850 Griffith's Valuation. 

An additional question affecting this puzzle arises from verbal information which my wife's mother Kitty gave me some years ago and which I recently came across in my notes.

Sometime around 2000, Kitty told me:

"My grandfather Daniel Stone inherited a third of Lurgan when it was divided between him and two brothers by their father. The three brothers were Daniel, John and Michael.

" Michael was the grandfather of Mary Martin who still lives on the land at Lurgan. Her father was Dick Martin who must have married Michael Stone's daughter. I believe the other brother, John, married a woman named Warburton. The Warburtons were a Protestant family from the Athlone side of Moate, they have a family grave in the Church of Ireland cemetary at Ballymoor".

Kitty went on to tell me that John Stone's descendants sold their third of the land at Lurgan to her own brother Daniel (Uncle Dan) many years ago, meaning that Dan owned two thirds of the original land up until his death on 14th March 2004 whilst Mary Martin kept the remaining third.

Whilst the discovery of this anecdotal information would certainly confirm that the John Stones who married Anne Warburton was the brother of Daniel, I have not come across another brother named Michael. The census records of both 1901 and 1911 do however provide details of the household and family of another of Daniel's brothers named James Stones with his wife Rose Connaughton. On this basis, I would speculate that James was the third brother who inherited the land and that it was one of his daughters who married Dick Martin.

It is worth noting that Daniel Sone may not appear to have had a brother named Michael but he did have a son Michael (brother of Kitty's father Edward) born in 1889 and John Stones and Anne Warburton themselves also had a son named Michael (born 1891). Could one of these two cousins have also married a woman named Warburton?  

The death of Timothy Stones 

I have previously speculated that Timothy Stones died around 1885 because prior to that date two of his sons mentioned above were residing with their young families away from Lurgan. The evidence being that they returned to live permanently at Lurgan around 1884/1885.

A death index I came across on Ancestry would appear to support this theory as there is indeed a record for the death of a Timothy Stones, aged 75, recorded in the autumn of 1883:  

Name: Timothy Stones

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808

Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883

Death Age: 75

Registration district: Tullamore


Death Country: Ireland

Volume: 3 Page: 447

FHL Film Number: 101592

Monday, 5 December 2011

The Stones of Lurgan - Family Tree Chart

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The family tree chart of the Stone family of Lurgan

The Stone family were recorded at Lurgan in County Offaly from at least the early 1800s.

The records from which this family tree has been put together include census records from 1901 and 1911, birth, baptism, marriage and death indexes and certificates, and also the Griffith’s Land Valuation of 1850.

In these records the spelling of the surname differs between Stones and Stone. In the 19th century it was very common for all surnames in Ireland and the UK to be mis-spelt, some surnames have up to 10 variations, often because the vast majority of the population were illiterate. It is very common that the same individual or their immediate family are named with one spelling in one record (e.g. Stone) and another spelling elsewhere (e.g. Stones).

Taking all of the research evidence into account, I have no doubt that the people in this family tree named both Stone and Stones are related to each other. I hope it does not become confusing if I use both variations.

The earliest members of the Stone family tree I have been able to trace are Timothy Stones who married Elizabeth Cahill around 1834. A search of marriage indexes for the Offaly county (formerly Kings County) does not provide a record of their marriage. My theory is that they married in Westmeath and I am confident that I will be able to locate this record soon.

There is a record of Timothy Stones as a farmer at Lurgan in the Griffiths Valuation of 1850. There is also a record of a farmer named John Stones at Lurgan. Given that Lurgan was a relatively small area of rural farmland, it seems probable that these two men may have been brothers or cousins. The name John Stones occurs as a sponsor at the baptism of one of Timothy and Elizabeth’s children around this time, again we could speculate that this was the same man named in the Griffith’s Valuation.

The Offaly Family History Centre at Tullamore have provided us with an index of baptisms from Tubber Parish Church which includes a list of 12 children of Timothy Stones and Elizabeth Cahill of Lurgan. The 12 children are shown in the green coloured boxes on the family tree chart. The list includes two daughters with the same name, Rose, one born in 1841 and one born in 1852. Research shows that it was a common practice in the 19th century that if a child died the parents would often name a subsequent sibling with the same name in their memory.

The baptism records from Tubber include the names of two sponsors for each of the 12 children being baptised. These include five male and three female sponsors with the surname Stones, who may have been siblings or cousins. In baptismal records it appears that female sponsors were recorded under their maiden names not their married names, so on this basis the women named Stones are more likely to have been sisters of Timothy rather than in-laws (wives of his brothers).

There are other surnames of interest amongst the sponsors including three people with the surname Cahill. We could also speculate that female sponsors with other surnames could have been the wives of Timothy’s brothers using their maiden names. We should not discount that some of the sponsors may have been neighbours and friends, not direct relations.

The records from the Offaly Family History Centre also provide marriage references for three  of Timothy and Elizabeth’s children:

James Stones who married Rose Connaughton

Rose Stones who married Edward Grennan

Daniel Stones who married Mary Duffy

There is further evidence that another of the sons named John married Anne Warburton in about 1886, though their marriage may not have been at Tubber.  

There is also a record for another John Stones of Lurgan who married Rose Malynn. This family are recorded in the 1901 and 1911 census. I am unclear at the moment as to how this family is related to that of Timothy and Elizabeth, though it would seem likely that this John was the son of the John Stones referred to above who was recorded in the Griffiths Valuation of 1850. Therefore he was probably the cousin of the family marked in the green boxes.

One of Timothy and Elizabeth’s sons was Daniel Stones who married Mary Duffy in 1880.

The Offaly Family History Centre records also provided baptismal references for the children of Daniel and some of his siblings. These families are listed in the lilac coloured boxes.

I have not been able to locate records for many of Daniel’s brothers and sisters and the Offaly centre does not have records of their marriages or subsequent families. We should consider that some may not have married such as the first Rose who probably died as a child or they may have married in another county such as Westmeath, or they may have moved further away including emigration, or may have entered a vocation such as the priesthood, or may have remained single, etc.

Various other records show us that some of these children moved away from Lurgan for periods of their young adult lives and later returned permanently. On the birth of his oldest son Edward in 1883, Daniel Stones is recorded as being a publican in Mulligar. However, we know that he returned to live at Lurgan with his wife Mary Duffy around 1885 when his next son Timothy was baptised at Tubber with the Lurgan address.

One of Daniel’s brothers also had children away from Lurgan and moved back around the same time. This could indicate that their father Timothy died around 1885 and some of his sons inherited land about this time.

There are a number of families named Stone and Stones listed in the 1901 and 1911 census records at Lurgan, including the family of Daniel Stones and Mary Duffy. The family of Edward and Rose Grennan (nee.Stones) are also recorded in the census.

The oldest son of Daniel Stone and Mary Duffy, Edward Stone, married Catherine Flannagan in 1924. Catherine’s family, the Flannagans of Raheen are also recorded in the 1901 and 1911 census.